I'm guessing it is because fdny probably technically owns the specs, otherwise I would think it would be patent infringement, it is pretty crazy, from what I can see so far they look identical. I wonder if KME looked into buying the cabs from seagrave, would have saved a whole lot of r&d. They might have actually been able to put trucks in service in a reasonable amount of time as well. I think we can all agree it is a bit crazy how long it is taking to get rigs from them.
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FDNY certainly writes and owns the specifications but not the design. The design is how the manufacturer meets the specifications. The specifications define such things as interior space, strength, maximum outside dimensions, etc. The design chooses the material sizes, tights and strengths etc. My belief is that the only way this is not illegal is because Seagrave probably doesn't actually patent the design of the cab. They may patent certain features but because every cab varies to some degree they don't actually patent it.BCR said:
Even though it's not technically illegal it certainly seems like it's quite unethical.
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...and these rigs will materialize sometime this year?
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Finally saw a couple pix of the new first KME pumper. Will try to share/link
here soon. Basically looks like a Seagrave....
here soon. Basically looks like a Seagrave....
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Wow...it really does look like a Seagrave...
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Thanks JA290, that's what I was going to say. FDNY specs call for it to look like that.JA290 said:
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Mark my word KME will have a lot of difficulty when it comes to servicing these rigs, as far as I know there is no KME facility anywhere close to NYC.
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baileyjeff said:
They'll build one. Not that it'll improve servicing. Seagrave has a facility and they take FOREVER to repair FDNY rigs under warranty.
Back to the builds. Good thing they're coming along. There are 13 engines out there that are on their last legs. There are only a few differences, mostly cosmetic that are immediatly obvious. One that is intersting is the compartment doors. They look as though they close flush with the body. That's new.
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Notice the lights in the front on top of the cab, almost looks like cupcake cups upside down lol. All together a nice looking rig.
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Side note:
Anyone see the recessed back-up camera under the hose bed? LOL.....I hope they plan on caging that somehow, because it'll last a week before it gets kicked, stepped on, ect. by guys climbing in and out of the hose bed.
Anyone see the recessed back-up camera under the hose bed? LOL.....I hope they plan on caging that somehow, because it'll last a week before it gets kicked, stepped on, ect. by guys climbing in and out of the hose bed.
Another slight difference I noticed is the rear doors of the cab instead of having one large window there's two, instead of it being the full height to the top of cab, there is a small window above it where the Cab is raised up. The compartment doors closing flush is probably a pretty good idea I would think it would be harder to snag then and bend/ tweak them on something. Don't all of the newer rigs have reverse camera's ? Let's hope they can start mass producing them, and pass the inspection to get them in service
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BCR said:
Our Ferrara rear-mounts have them. However, they're not mounted in a place that we're climbing across frequently.
Those photos are of the production line, I beleive.