FDNY Pumpers awarded to KME

Chowson said:
So......new engines?  What's going on with these?
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The 1st new engine won't be delivered to a company for over a year.  They 1st will build a prototype unit, it will then be reviewed, changes made where required, and then production of the actual units will begin.
 
There was something in the news about the vehicles getting old. The UFOA has a contract statement about vehicles needing to be 10years or less.
 
The pumpers or and rig for that matter have to be "ordered" before the 10 year mark.  Technicality they have been ordered, whether they see the light of day is another question
 
It was in the Chief on march 19th. 
Pretty much union contract says something along the lines of members only respond to fires in a front line rig thats older then 11 years. Spares don't count, so like Lad34 running a spare until the new TDA is exempt.

So if the union can get it enforced then something along the lines of, the rigs only leaves quarters to respond to fires and not BI or other Admin duties.
 
So....many months have passed since we heard the news of the bid awarding.  What's the hold up?  Have they started building these yet?  Do they plan to?  What's going on?
 
::)  Right....here we go, Seagrave is the best....

Get in one that's 10 years old, has no working A/C, has screws and plates in the back that get so hot from the engine they burn you.  When it has 95,000 miles on it and is so slow you can't keep up with a 90,000 lb tower ladder.....tell me again how Seagrave is great?  Have you seen the spares?  They had to cut portions of the body away and bolt on diamond plating to cover the holes from the rust.

Time for new F'ing rigs already....
 
as soon as the 5 year warranty is up no rig has ac working.  the shop does not do ac work on the road unless its a roof fan or something simple. Basically your screwed after 5 years.  And as far as spares goes, its just that, a spare they are not going to spent time and money on a spare rig. 
 
Yes Johnny i have seen the spare rigs. They make our 20-25 year old rigs look brand ne, But then again when a rig runs 4,000 to 5,000 runs a year no wonder.
 
8 regular 2000gpm pumpers have ordered to Seagrave as an add-on to the current high-pressure contract. These 8 are slated to companies that lost their apparatus due to Sandy.
 
What are the older HP engines like to work with now they are as old as they are? Especially E65s seagrave which i would assume spends a lot of time on the road. E6 has a similar aged rig but is a quieter comapny, and then there are the Ferrara 's at 54 and 26. How are these rigs holding out??

JT
 
Got this from Facebook from a person within the Dept

"It seems KME is 7-8 months behind schedule and the whole contract is starting to fall apart. They just don't seem to grasp the concept of "You build what we want". We've sent them a Seagrave and a Ferrara engine to show them what we mean. KME keeps trying to make design changes that we cannot accept due to our needs. It's an ugly back and forth that's causing a lot of problems."

 
IRISH said:
Got this from Facebook from a person within the Dept

"It seems KME is 7-8 months behind schedule and the whole contract is starting to fall apart. They just don't seem to grasp the concept of "You build what we want". We've sent them a Seagrave and a Ferrara engine to show them what we mean. KME keeps trying to make design changes that we cannot accept due to our needs. It's an ugly back and forth that's causing a lot of problems."
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The entire idea of sending some other manufacturers apparatus to a company so they can build what you want sounds ridiculous!  It's like saying you want to buy a Ford but you want it built like a Chevy so you send a Chevy to forward for them to figure out how to build it.  FDNY wrote specifications for the equipment they wanted either KME can manufacture a truck to the specifications or they can't!
 
IRISH said:
Got this from Facebook from a person within the Dept

"It seems KME is 7-8 months behind schedule and the whole contract is starting to fall apart. They just don't seem to grasp the concept of "You build what we want". We've sent them a Seagrave and a Ferrara engine to show them what we mean. KME keeps trying to make design changes that we cannot accept due to our needs. It's an ugly back and forth that's causing a lot of problems."
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I'm not sure I buy this.  KME has been building rigs for a very long time.  They could only bid the job when given a detailed specification, why would this be so difficult?  I don't question that someone here told you this, however, if there's anything we're better at than fighting fires, it's rumors.
 
Chowson said:
I'm not sure I buy this.  KME has been building rigs for a very long time.  They could only bid the job when given a detailed specification, why would this be so difficult?  I don't question that someone here told you this, however, if there's anything we're better at than fighting fires, it's rumors.
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It is the 1st time that KME had provided apparatus to FDNY so I'm sure there is a learning curve.  The specifications are very detailed, maybe more than KME realized.  I'm sure just because it's the 1st time bid for them FDNY will be even more detailed in ensuring the specifications are met.
 
I can't imagine this being entirely true, but if it is true, sending a Seagrave thats already likely falling apart to KME and saying "here, build it like this" is just asking for more problems.
 
If it is true and the contract is falling apart and eventually falls apart it sure will be interesting to see what happens. By the time they would pull the plug I would think it would be way down the road and front line rigs needing replacement would be old. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to see the contracted be split in half to seagrave and Ferrara to get rigs faster because they would be so far behind. 8 regular 2000/500 pumpers already added to the high pressure contract. On another note, some of the engines due for replacement on Staten Island that are included in this contract are engines with the 750 gallon tanks but I haven't seen anything mentioned yet, are thy being replaced with 500 gallon tanks
 
It does not matter if it is the first time KME is building engines for FDNY, They received the dib because KME said they could meet the specs. If KME cannot meet the specs in any way then the contract should be pulled and given to a company who can. Seagrave and now Farrera seems to be the only ones who have been able to meet the specs for FDNY apparatus.
 
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