Seagrave Marauder II Pumpers

Bulldog: I don't think they've gone to LDH on Engines since the hydrants are plentiful, close together and they generally have the Engines hooked up right at the hydrant. Someone on the job or retired please chime in if that's inaccurate.
 
guitarman314 said:
Bulldog said:
Is the hydrant pressure that low in NYC that they have to use hard section to make hydrants?  Or for some reason does FDNY not use soft suction hose?  Also why don't they carry LDH?  It's almost impossible to utilize the 2000gpm pump capacity without it.
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The main hydrant connection is at the front bumper where there's already a a pre-connected 35 ft. soft suction. LDH is carried on the six Satellite hosewagons
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I realize the satellites carry LDH but it would seem logical for all of the 2000gpm to carry it considering without it they can't really utilized their pump capacity.  It would certainly be very usable for supplying the tower ladders!
 
Don't forget that one of those "hard suctions" is not hard at all,  we have one black 10' soft connection which looks like a hard connection for hooking up.

As far as LDH with the new pumpers it was my understanding that we would draft to get the 2000gpm and the it was for major incidents like 9/11.  From my limited use of LDH it seems to be a bit of a pain to use, and our current setup of 3 1/2" hose can work for most situations bringing water into the rig and sending water out.

Also we now try and gate the 2 1/2" outlet on the hydrant so that we can go back and hookup another supply line to bring in more water to the pumps.
 
tbendick said:
Don't forget that one of those "hard suctions" is not hard at all,  we have one black 10' soft connection which looks like a hard connection for hooking up.

As far as LDH with the new pumpers it was my understanding that we would draft to get the 2000gpm and the it was for major incidents like 9/11.  From my limited use of LDH it seems to be a bit of a pain to use, and our current setup of 3 1/2" hose can work for most situations bringing water into the rig and sending water out.

Also we now try and gate the 2 1/2" outlet on the hydrant so that we can go back and hookup another supply line to bring in more water to the pumps.
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Exactly. It's rare that 2,000 GPM is needed at a fire scene. 3 1/2" is more than adequate as a supply line in most situations and LDH is overkill in most situations. For the occasional 'major event' the Satellites lay out LDH and set up the manifold.
 
We used to use Two 3" supply lines from the hydrant. I don't ever remember us running out of water. When we went to Five inch (LDH) it was very hard to work with and impossible to move once it was charged. And if you got a kink in it, you could easily loose most of your water. A pain in the a$$ to repack to.
  I think for most cities that have hydrants, 3 or 3 1/2 inch supply line is perfect. Its fine to have a few lengths of the 5" for that special job but much to diffucult to use on the everyday fires.
  Of course the guys who really never used the smaller hose, don't know how much easier it was to work with.
  Sorry for getting so off track here about the hose. The LDH just wasn't my cup of tea.
 
 
Always max out your 3 1/2 bed .....dont stop at 10 lengths........extra lengths of 3 1/2 in the basement do no good if you run out of hose between a hydrant & the Fire.....you dont want your primary & secondary beds too high when you handstretch a donut,horshoe or folds...usually waist to chest high at the max.......but the 3 1/2 ....you only have to grab the end.......(if you had reason to need even more 3 1/2 you can let a foot or so of each fold hang off the back.....it looks sloppy but will increase the amount of the hose load but usually just maxing the section of that compartment to the highest level will do the job) ........on a separate note in certain situations distant from a hydrant  where a supply line is needed for a confined type fire such as an isolated dumpster or deep seated rubbish w/out chance of extension but requiring an amount of water more than in your booster tank......consider using 2 1/2 as a supply line rather than 3 1/2 ......this should supply adequate water & is easier to stretch.....drain ....&  repack.   
 
Like Tommy said, 5" is a pain. If what you're using works well in your Dept., stick with it.
 
We chose 4" supply line after testing 5" and dual 3" lines. The best thing every created was the front intake! We have added rear intakes as well since we run rural areas with long narrow drives and access roads. Like Deano said, "whatever works"!
 
Two more pumpers were delivered to the Shops October 27th.

SP10015,  will be assigned to Engine 21
SP10016,  will be assigned to Engine 202

 
Just a thought...when the current order of 2010 pumpers is complete, roughly a third of the 2002 pumpers will have been replaced.  Considering the standard replacement cycle is 10 years, there MAY not be any new pumpers until mid 2012.  The Squads are in need of replacement next, and there will still be a bunch of 2000 towers left in service, so my GUESS would be money would go to these first.
 
I read here somewhere, or it might be on another forum, that the next batch will either be the Squads, or HP Engines for E6, 26, 54, 34 and the one in Queens..not sure where it is??? But hey...it might be neither!! as we are usually quick to find out that 'Bids' have gone out for this or that apparatus wise, there has been no news on that front, so one would assume nothing is in the offing in the near future, Engines/squads wise.

JT
 
Why are they starting on 2002 rigs already? Why not wait until 2012 or at least end of 2011 to order them since we need the money? ???
 
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